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Old 27-04-2017, 20:29   #1
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Losing the league title (and supporting Dortmund) is a good thing

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For the past 7 years, Bayern has slowly but steadily been establishing their place as one of the best teams in the world. This was done through careful management of finances, promotion of youths, and wise transfer policies, something that many clubs envy. But if we look carefully, not everything happened because of Bayern’s careful plans.
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Old 28-04-2017, 08:43   #2
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It's certainly an interesting point for debate Wavy. It's a real shame that Lahm and Xabi are retiring in a few weeks because clearly losing out in the pokal and the champions league is going to make the board rethink strategy and hopefully convince them to spend money. It's just unfortunate that we couldn't give them the send off they deserve after so many years.
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Old 28-04-2017, 13:28   #3
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I have mentioned it before somewhere. It is not about Lahm or Alonso, it's about not falling to the mediocrity of the mid 2000s.
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Old 28-04-2017, 18:13   #4
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I have mentioned it before somewhere. It is not about Lahm or Alonso, it's about not falling to the mediocrity of the mid 2000s.
Yeah I knew that Wavy, just wanted to add to your point by also bringing that into the discussion!
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Old 28-04-2017, 19:26   #5
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I find myself having mixed feelings about the points in the article.

On the one hand, it's true - having a team such as Dortmund (or this year's Rasenballsport) in the league makes you push your team further than you would if you were dominating it. It's no coincidence that we went from a dry spell to a "win everything" year, given the level we had to achieve to surpass that Dortmund team. A Dortmund team which, let's remember, came 2nd in the CL that year, meaning that they were absolutely the bar to be measured against. Also in favour of this is the Barcelona - Real Madrid dynamic. In the past 10 years, those clubs have won a majority of the possible European titles, and it's hard to ignore the competition they face in their league (mostly each other, with Atletico rising up in recent times).

However, and this is a big part for me, I never want to lose. Ever. I feel my countryman said it best - "if I can score 8 goals in a single game, I will, because there's no letting up for me". Every league title, every Pokal, every CL, matters, and hurts when we lose it. Each and every single one of them. And consequentially, every one we win is a triumph. Does that mean that all titles are equally important? Absolutely not - the CL has a ton more prestige, and if faced with the choice, I'd take that win above all others. But that doesn't mean that I don't want us to win the league as well.

I guess my point is that Bayern, as an entity, should be this hungry as well. It's true that a weakened Dortmund in recent years has made the league a lot less exciting, but that shouldn't take anything away from the level we're playing at. Fundamentally, winning the league should never be seen by our board/coach as the ultimate be-all-end-all measure of success. As long as the club doesn't call itself content, we have our foils out there, more than enough.

We don't need a Dortmund at home, when we have a Real Madrid in Europe who beat us in our own turf twice in a row. This should light a fire under our board's ass to never let it happen again - hell, it should never have happened in the first place. That should be drive enough to push our team to the absolute limit. If winning the league is putting a damper on that, then the fault is not on the lack of a Dortmund, but on the lack of ambition on our board.

I want us to win everything, every time, every year. Most of all, I want the Allianz Arena to be seen again as a place where you never expect to get a win, unless your crest says "Bayern München" on it. I want every Madridista to tremble in fear at the thought of facing La Bestia Negra, not to have this memory of two victories in a row. And that does not stem from a local rival. We must always better ourselves, but most importantly, we have enough factors to not be content.

All in all, I really enjoyed the article, and it gave me food for thought since I read it. It's only now that I was able to put my thoughts into words about it. Thanks for the submission Wavy
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The point is that the board seem not to be bothered by CL debacles as long as we routinely win the BL with no challenge whatsoever. In a way this is a matter of motivation coming from within.

Of course, losing to three Spanish teams four times in a row should be motivation enough, but the board doesn't seem much "panicked" about this whole situation. It is totally unacceptable for me that this generation of players, which IMO is just as good or better than the 70ies team, has not won more than one CL title. And I think it's no coincidence that this title came after two shortcomings in the BL.

Normal people would never want to lose, in anything. However, I think that losing from time to time is a good thing because it humbles you, and that is why we need a Dortmund to kick us in the ass, to recite Memento Mori to us.
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We don't need a Dortmund at home, when we have a Real Madrid in Europe who beat us in our own turf twice in a row. This should light a fire under our board's ass to never let it happen again - hell, it should never have happened in the first place. That should be drive enough to push our team to the absolute limit. If winning the league is putting a damper on that, then the fault is not on the lack of a Dortmund, but on the lack of ambition on our board.
but don't you think not having a strong league, not only dortmund, is a huge determinant to our failure in europe, against spanish teams to be more precise.

in spain, madrid plays every week with high intensity, not only because they face better opponents. but also, losing points is taboo, they have to keep up with barcelona and sometimes with atletico also.

bayern on the other hand, they can play all season on cruise control, and still end up the season winning the league with big margin. that can create a false sense of security, and make the team/players look much stronger than they really are.
for example, if someone used to deadlift 100kg but for almost a year, he started to deadlift much lower weight(let's say 50kg) for some reason. and when he tries to deadlift 100kg, by that time his body and muscles got used to deadlift 50kg only, thus he will struggle to do so.

and that's what is happening to bayern for the last couple of years. cruising all season, without any real challenge for the league. players don't put 100% every game, cause 75% is enough. no need for intensive play most of the games. and when we suddenly face spanish team, we panic.
the match starts, and we start losing easy balls, missing easy passes and giving the ball in our half, and panicking every time we come anywhere close to their box. that's exactly what happened in the first half against atletico barcelona and madrid. they start game focused, playing in the 5th gear, and playing with intensity as they are used to every week. on the other hand, bayern start the game in their usual first gear, playing without any intensity, missing easy passes combined with horrendous crossing. and by the time we reach the 5th gear and start coping with the intensity of their game, it's too late. atlteico has already scored the goal they wanted, and barca managed to create countless one-on-one opportunities.
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Not necessarily, but having a more competitive league would or could give a team an extra edge as their players cannot get complacent at any point in the season as Bayern tend to get(at least it seem like it) judging from the outside.

It's the mind more than anything that tricks you.

I think Bayern went crazy in 2012-13 partly because Dortmund won the league back-to-back.

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Albeit that the CL should be self-motivational - especially after getting beaten by spanish teams 4 years in a row - the Bundesliga needs a major uplifting. It keeps the team focused and on edge in an entirely different matter through out the season.

No way we would've accomplished the treble if not Dortmund had won the league back to back and also totally ran us over in the DFB Pokal.

With that said there's not a chance that Dortmund will be that team or any other - except for RB Leipzig. They have the economical resources which the other teams doesn't. Not next season but maybe in five.
Until then I think that we will still secure the league title with ease.

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It was a brilliant read! You put in words what's not really so pleasant to hear, as I couldn't help but agree - but it truly costs me a lot to admit that Bayern truly need more competition from the other German sides to step up and push themselves to reach higher levels. I wish we'd just look at ourselves instead.
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I agree that losing the Bundesliga title is good for Bayern but what's even better is having some stronger teams in the league. We have that wrong mentality of 'we are Bayern so we can beat everyone' that hurts us a lot when we play in CL.

See how the board is complacent with our local players (e.g. Gotze, ageing Robben and Ribbery) that they overlook real potential players outside.

See how our players crumble when they face strong opponents. They are so panicky and loosing their nerves. They just don't have the experience to play against stronger teams (save individual players like Lahm, Neuer but the whole team is so dissembled against opponents of the same caliber). That's because we're facing some inferior teams and leading 10+ in the league and there's no real pressure during the game. And we rarely play catch up.
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