Girondins Bordeaux 2 - 1 FC Bayern München - Page 4 - BayernZone

René · 22-10-2009, 00:23

I dunno about you guys but Butt has definetly won major points in my book. I wouldn't mind having him as #1. We talk about having a solid goalkeeper who is capable of saving our asses... And he did what he could tonight. Saved 2 penalties. That's admirable.

Anyways, on the match:

This sucks ass. Now we play catch up with Juventus. I'm so fucking pissed. That draw vs them at home will be a precious point for them in the long run. Totally undeserved. The fact that we lost doesn't really bother me much... But the fact that Juventus is getting away in the standings. We're having the same CL record so far this season like Barcelona; 1 win, 1 draw, 1 defeat. So we can't really fall into we're the only big club having problems in the Group stage. Besides, our group is pretty bloody complicated.

We really need to get our act together. Before we were drawing but playing well. Now we're a bloody wreck.

Ramy · 22-10-2009, 00:27

Don't worry mate.

It will not be along run we have Bordeux and Haifa at home we will rape them (6 points = must).

Filo · 22-10-2009, 00:52

This is a similiar situation that we had in 2001...

We had won against Rosenborg, draw against Helsingsborg and lost (0-1) at France vs PSG. I think Bayern can get out of this situation but we will have to step up and BIG TIME. If not, what is the point of continuing in the CL.

Filo · 22-10-2009, 00:56

Reaction to Bordeaux v Bayern
Rummenigge: We absolutely deserved to lose

Quote:

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: “We were very poor in the first half. It was basically an ideal start, in that we took a lucky lead after six minutes through an own goal. We should have seen it through to the final whistle easily after that, or at least avoided defeat. But we came up short in every area: willingness to run, fighting spirit, and then Müller was sent off and we were a man down, which made it very difficult. We absolutely deserved to lose, and now we’re obviously under pressure. We’re clearly inconsistent at the moment. It was OK in Freiburg, especially in the second half. But you’ll never survive in the Champions League with what we served up today. We now have home games against Bordeaux and Maccabi Haifa. We have to take six points, or it’ll be extremely difficult to make the last sixteen. The team has to react immediately, stem the tide, and take the points we need.”

Louis van Gaal: “We started well and had plenty of possession, and we were gifted a goal from a corner. Too many passes went astray after we took the lead, and it was obvious they would come at us. Strange how we played much better in the second half with ten men than we did with eleven before then. We could have made it 2-2, but it didn’t want to go in. It’s unbelievable. But it’s also unbelievable that we gave the ball away so often in the first half.”

Mark van Bommel: “That wasn’t worthy of a big club. We were handed the opening goal on a plate, but we threw it away after that. We should have kept our cool and let the ball do the work, and they would have tired. We saw it in the second half, Bordeaux were exhausted. At the end of the day, we have to be pleased we’ve only lost 2-1. But even though we were playing with ten men, we could have made it 2-2.”

Philipp Lahm: “We were OK in the first few minutes, but then we completely lost the plot. And we gave away too many free-kicks around the penalty area, which presented Bordeaux with decent chances. That was basically something we wanted to avoid, because we knew they’re good from set pieces – and that’s how they scored both their goals. Obviously, it was even more difficult with ten men. But we made a game of it in the second half, and we had a gilt-edged chance to make it 2-2. We know that beating Bordeaux at home will take us ahead of them. There are three games to go, two at home. It’s still wide open, but we obviously have to play better than that.”

Jörg Butt: “We have only ourselves to blame. We stopped playing football after taking the lead, we wasted far too much possession, we gave away too many free-kicks, and we fell asleep for their set plays. We lost the match in the first half. We played reasonably well after half-time. It was important not to lose by more. A 1-0 win at home would see us overtake Bordeaux on the direct comparison rule. Naturally, we’re under pressure now and have to win at home.”

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Ramy · 22-10-2009, 01:13

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Originally Posted by Filo

This is a similiar situation that we had in 2001...

We had won against Rosenborg, draw against Helsingsborg and lost (0-1) at France vs PSG. I think Bayern can get out of this situation but we will have to step up and BIG TIME. If not, what is the point of continuing in the CL.

But in 2001 we had more quality players espicially in defense Liza, Sammy, Sagnol ....

Filo · 22-10-2009, 01:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramy

But in 2001 we had more quality players espicially in defense Liza, Sammy, Sagnol ....

Well in 2001 we had the same issue that we had today. No point comparing though, different times, players and era but here it goes:

For those first matches we were without Effenberg and failed to create that much of chances. This case is the same, we are lacking creativity and that is costing our games.

Im sure that when Robbery comes back, or at least Robben, we will se a different Bayern.

Btw, Sammy was showned a red card against Rosenborg in 2001. Oliver Kahn stopped the penalty and Bayern won the match... in 2009 Buyten was expulsed and Butt saved the penalty... but we lost!

Snake · 22-10-2009, 09:04

Atleast in 2001 we didnt play like a bunch of headless idiots......

Seriously now, After every game Im coming to a point that we ARE in CRISIS.
The way we play, the way we work the ball, the passion, the communication, the will to win, the mentality to handle things, the discipline, the motivation and strive to over come your opponents. Its ALL GONE. All I see is 11 names wearing the Bayern shirt gettin humilated. We did a couple of good games when Robbery started but then thats it. The style of play, the inaccurate passes, the mistakes, the mentality to stay in our half of the pitch. Its all not Bayern. I guess all we have is names and our history, I dont see why and how we can continue watchin this over and over and over again, Filo I really like you and respect your opinions and you are a good guy to know and to work with, but Please lets face the reality of the team that we all love and support. You were sayin Altintop was doing shit, Van Bommel was horrible aswell, even Amy noticed it, the truth is that EVERY motherfucken name that wore the shirt was crap to the point that you feel its pointless to even try. But I DO agree with what you said(Filo) its pointless to compare the 2001 team with this so called "team" in 2001 we were a class of our own that dominated Real Madrid and Man Utd. Bayern aint doin the right changes for the club. Van Gaal & his dutch policy and lack of proper rotation, Braafheid, selling Lucio, Lahm playin as Rb. keepin Van Bommel, losing Ze Roberto and Borowski, buyin a €35M Gomez when you already have 2 guaranteed started strikers, and have a super sub like Olic and a youngster in Muller, who is NOT READY to be 1st 11 player, not signing a GK even though Butt is good but we all say his mistake today, that could have been worse, all these things combine it proves that its not Fc Bayern Munchen but its FC Crisis Munchen all over again, the club startin dying ever since Hitzfeld left again. And unless we bring a serious manager who is willing to take Bayern to the limits and I do mean like Hitzfeld, Heynckes, Ragnick, Mourinho, Wenger or even Benitez, then I must say that we wont do shit in any competition cause like this year we are even suffering against teams like Freiburg and Mainz...

Im Sorry, You all may think Im just an annoying Maltese prick who talks a lot of garbage on the forum and a bit hostile, but I dont like to hide behind false hopes, you may say Im tooo negative, but the truth is I say what I saw and just like some ppl I see other than the result. I wouldnt hold it against anyone if they tell me "get out of here" but I guess thats the way I am.

René · 22-10-2009, 10:02

^

I agree with everything you said.

BayernLeben · 22-10-2009, 19:49

Snake I totally agree and understand.

It has to be said and brought up by the board. Enough is enough. We haven't had many positives since Summer. All I kept hearing is that LvG needs time. Unfortunately this isn't a second rate team that has time to implement new ideas. This is Bayern, unfortunately any new ideas have to be little by little to go along with constant success. There is no way anyone can be expected to wait the time LvG is speaking about in needing to get his ideas completely implemented. Top that off with LvG unable to motivate players, like with JK -- yet JK was already more successful last term at this point, with JK we mainly got humilated by Barca as the last straw -- yet up to that point we had an amazing CL run, and that was enough. Last season, then this season, Bayern want coaches who totally want to "Revolutionize" Bayern; and from the board's perspective they want this because they want Bayern to be able to compete in the CL against teams like Barca, AC Milan, ManU -- a more fluid attacking team -- basically ideas that are sweeping Europe right now. So Bayern seem to be throwing away any old ideas or standards for Bayern like what Hitzfeld built. This has hardly anything to do with the Bundesliga right now, as bayern assume we can easily compete with other Bundesliga teams -- yet this term we are hurting, and many teams are stronger than ever, like Leverkusen, HSV, Shalke, etc.

I am curious to find out how long Bayern will really allow LvG to run things the way he is. He isn't a bad coach, just a coach that is totally focused on rebuilding everything from the ground up like JK. So the players are confused, they even say so themselves in many interviews, and there is a general lack of motivation because a lack of understanding and faith in what is happening, combine that with the fact that we have been losing or drawing games alot.

The things I am most dissapointed in, which it looks like LvG has hinted at, is that players like Schweini, Klose and Lahm (German internationals) are NOT stepping up and giving it their all. There was a time when Schweini was a hot prospect, now he is a shadow of himself -- like what happened with Ballack and his time at Bayern. Lahm could easily give more, even if he plays on the right which he himself states is his favoured side. Then Klose who is riding a roller coaster with his form. Then you have players like Tymo who were leaders for their team, yet come to Bayern and choke. Then you have injury crisis. Yet once again when Ribéry is out we have no creativity. When we use to have Schweini and Altintop in midfield we could hold our own, yet now we suck. The only players I see giving it their all are Butt -- which had many outstanding saves, yet if Rensing was in goal it would have been 5-1 and not 2-1. Also Toni is giving it his all right now, yet without any luck on scoring. And what about subs -- we have no super subs! it used to be said Bayern had players in depth across all position -- what a joke now. between JK and LvG we have that ruined now. Players that sit stale on the bench like Altintop are no good now, and they can't be expected to come on and perform miracles. I am disappointed in the majority of the squad and the tactics by LvG. If I were the coach I wouldn't be spending more time than just on passing, that's all the LvG has done. If we have a problem scoring -- then spend more time on scoring. Its elementary, don't ignore problems and continue to work on revolutionary ideas, work on the things that we need most. We also have a problem in midfield with creativity, then work with the midfield players like Schweini, Altintop, our MvB, etc. and get them up to Ribéry's way of thinking.

Like everyone else, I am frustrated beyond the point of even caring anymore, yet somehow I continue on thinking of the Bayern of old and how we might one day get there.
- Should LvG be sacked? No. Like I said previously, he is a good coach with loads of experience -- and sacking at this point would put Bayern in a worse shape. Letting Heynckes go at the end of last season was a mistake, yet Bayern were one track minded and focused only on LvG.

- Should bayern purchase more players? yes and no. Yes in that our defensive line is weak, and our midfield is still lacking experience and creativity. Yet no in that it would take time to integrate players and we do have great potential in many players, they only lack alot of motivation and direction.

- Should bayern continue on with the way they are and let LvG be in peace? No. This is a serious mistake in thinking a "Revolution" at Bayern will make us as good as Barca. many things need to happen, and we shouldn't be out to mimick Barcas success, but look at what works for Bayern.

Enough said from me.

Filo · 22-10-2009, 22:00

Snake I feel exactly like you. Im very dissapointed and everything, but I cant loose faith on this team. I know that things aren't going well but I know this team has quality enough to overcome this.

22-10-2009, 00:52	#48 (permalink)
Filo Südkurve München Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,345	This is a similiar situation that we had in 2001... We had won against Rosenborg, draw against Helsingsborg and lost (0-1) at France vs PSG. I think Bayern can get out of this situation but we will have to step up and BIG TIME. If not, what is the point of continuing in the CL.
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22-10-2009, 19:49	#54 (permalink)
BayernLeben Lifelong Bayern Fan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 718	Snake I totally agree and understand. It has to be said and brought up by the board. Enough is enough. We haven't had many positives since Summer. All I kept hearing is that LvG needs time. Unfortunately this isn't a second rate team that has time to implement new ideas. This is Bayern, unfortunately any new ideas have to be little by little to go along with constant success. There is no way anyone can be expected to wait the time LvG is speaking about in needing to get his ideas completely implemented. Top that off with LvG unable to motivate players, like with JK -- yet JK was already more successful last term at this point, with JK we mainly got humilated by Barca as the last straw -- yet up to that point we had an amazing CL run, and that was enough. Last season, then this season, Bayern want coaches who totally want to "Revolutionize" Bayern; and from the board's perspective they want this because they want Bayern to be able to compete in the CL against teams like Barca, AC Milan, ManU -- a more fluid attacking team -- basically ideas that are sweeping Europe right now. So Bayern seem to be throwing away any old ideas or standards for Bayern like what Hitzfeld built. This has hardly anything to do with the Bundesliga right now, as bayern assume we can easily compete with other Bundesliga teams -- yet this term we are hurting, and many teams are stronger than ever, like Leverkusen, HSV, Shalke, etc. I am curious to find out how long Bayern will really allow LvG to run things the way he is. He isn't a bad coach, just a coach that is totally focused on rebuilding everything from the ground up like JK. So the players are confused, they even say so themselves in many interviews, and there is a general lack of motivation because a lack of understanding and faith in what is happening, combine that with the fact that we have been losing or drawing games alot. The things I am most dissapointed in, which it looks like LvG has hinted at, is that players like Schweini, Klose and Lahm (German internationals) are NOT stepping up and giving it their all. There was a time when Schweini was a hot prospect, now he is a shadow of himself -- like what happened with Ballack and his time at Bayern. Lahm could easily give more, even if he plays on the right which he himself states is his favoured side. Then Klose who is riding a roller coaster with his form. Then you have players like Tymo who were leaders for their team, yet come to Bayern and choke. Then you have injury crisis. Yet once again when Ribéry is out we have no creativity. When we use to have Schweini and Altintop in midfield we could hold our own, yet now we suck. The only players I see giving it their all are Butt -- which had many outstanding saves, yet if Rensing was in goal it would have been 5-1 and not 2-1. Also Toni is giving it his all right now, yet without any luck on scoring. And what about subs -- we have no super subs! it used to be said Bayern had players in depth across all position -- what a joke now. between JK and LvG we have that ruined now. Players that sit stale on the bench like Altintop are no good now, and they can't be expected to come on and perform miracles. I am disappointed in the majority of the squad and the tactics by LvG. If I were the coach I wouldn't be spending more time than just on passing, that's all the LvG has done. If we have a problem scoring -- then spend more time on scoring. Its elementary, don't ignore problems and continue to work on revolutionary ideas, work on the things that we need most. We also have a problem in midfield with creativity, then work with the midfield players like Schweini, Altintop, our MvB, etc. and get them up to Ribéry's way of thinking. Like everyone else, I am frustrated beyond the point of even caring anymore, yet somehow I continue on thinking of the Bayern of old and how we might one day get there. - Should LvG be sacked? No. Like I said previously, he is a good coach with loads of experience -- and sacking at this point would put Bayern in a worse shape. Letting Heynckes go at the end of last season was a mistake, yet Bayern were one track minded and focused only on LvG. - Should bayern purchase more players? yes and no. Yes in that our defensive line is weak, and our midfield is still lacking experience and creativity. Yet no in that it would take time to integrate players and we do have great potential in many players, they only lack alot of motivation and direction. - Should bayern continue on with the way they are and let LvG be in peace? No. This is a serious mistake in thinking a "Revolution" at Bayern will make us as good as Barca. many things need to happen, and we shouldn't be out to mimick Barcas success, but look at what works for Bayern. Enough said from me. Last edited by BayernLeben; 22-10-2009 at 19:57.
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22-10-2009, 22:00	#55 (permalink)
Filo Südkurve München Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,345	Snake I feel exactly like you. Im very dissapointed and everything, but I cant loose faith on this team. I know that things aren't going well but I know this team has quality enough to overcome this.
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22-10-2009, 00:23	#46 (permalink)
René #4 Phenomenon Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Managua, Nicaragua Posts: 780	I dunno about you guys but Butt has definetly won major points in my book. I wouldn't mind having him as #1. We talk about having a solid goalkeeper who is capable of saving our asses... And he did what he could tonight. Saved 2 penalties. That's admirable. Anyways, on the match: This sucks ass. Now we play catch up with Juventus. I'm so fucking pissed. That draw vs them at home will be a precious point for them in the long run. Totally undeserved. The fact that we lost doesn't really bother me much... But the fact that Juventus is getting away in the standings. We're having the same CL record so far this season like Barcelona; 1 win, 1 draw, 1 defeat. So we can't really fall into we're the only big club having problems in the Group stage. Besides, our group is pretty bloody complicated. We really need to get our act together. Before we were drawing but playing well. Now we're a bloody wreck.
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22-10-2009, 00:27	#47 (permalink)
Ramy BZ Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 439	Don't worry mate. It will not be along run we have Bordeux and Haifa at home we will rape them (6 points = must).

22-10-2009, 09:04	#52 (permalink)
Snake Roman Catholic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Malta Posts: 1,800	Atleast in 2001 we didnt play like a bunch of headless idiots...... Seriously now, After every game Im coming to a point that we ARE in CRISIS. The way we play, the way we work the ball, the passion, the communication, the will to win, the mentality to handle things, the discipline, the motivation and strive to over come your opponents. Its ALL GONE. All I see is 11 names wearing the Bayern shirt gettin humilated. We did a couple of good games when Robbery started but then thats it. The style of play, the inaccurate passes, the mistakes, the mentality to stay in our half of the pitch. Its all not Bayern. I guess all we have is names and our history, I dont see why and how we can continue watchin this over and over and over again, Filo I really like you and respect your opinions and you are a good guy to know and to work with, but Please lets face the reality of the team that we all love and support. You were sayin Altintop was doing shit, Van Bommel was horrible aswell, even Amy noticed it, the truth is that EVERY motherfucken name that wore the shirt was crap to the point that you feel its pointless to even try. But I DO agree with what you said(Filo) its pointless to compare the 2001 team with this so called "team" in 2001 we were a class of our own that dominated Real Madrid and Man Utd. Bayern aint doin the right changes for the club. Van Gaal & his dutch policy and lack of proper rotation, Braafheid, selling Lucio, Lahm playin as Rb. keepin Van Bommel, losing Ze Roberto and Borowski, buyin a €35M Gomez when you already have 2 guaranteed started strikers, and have a super sub like Olic and a youngster in Muller, who is NOT READY to be 1st 11 player, not signing a GK even though Butt is good but we all say his mistake today, that could have been worse, all these things combine it proves that its not Fc Bayern Munchen but its FC Crisis Munchen all over again, the club startin dying ever since Hitzfeld left again. And unless we bring a serious manager who is willing to take Bayern to the limits and I do mean like Hitzfeld, Heynckes, Ragnick, Mourinho, Wenger or even Benitez, then I must say that we wont do shit in any competition cause like this year we are even suffering against teams like Freiburg and Mainz... Im Sorry, You all may think Im just an annoying Maltese prick who talks a lot of garbage on the forum and a bit hostile, but I dont like to hide behind false hopes, you may say Im tooo negative, but the truth is I say what I saw and just like some ppl I see other than the result. I wouldnt hold it against anyone if they tell me "get out of here" but I guess thats the way I am.
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22-10-2009, 10:02	#53 (permalink)
René #4 Phenomenon Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Managua, Nicaragua Posts: 780	^ I agree with everything you said.
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