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  • Originally posted by St3ph3n View Post
    Watch shit go even worse and we out here starting with praying and praising the old board here...

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    Don't worry, it can't get worse since this guy is going to pull the strings behind the scenes. He's staying in the board after all.

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    • without the abolition of the 50 + 1 rule nothing will change, only a real ambitious ownership could change the fate of our club

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      • Originally posted by Odin View Post
        without the abolition of the 50 + 1 rule nothing will change, only a real ambitious ownership could change the fate of our club
        No, i really think something is going to change. At least Kahn's word we're promising. Don't think that 50 + 1 has big influence on Bayern as we're one of the richest clubs in the world. Uli Hoeness just doesn't fit into current transfer market and that's all.

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        • you are optimistic but I am willing to bet that little will change for the next few years, the 50 + 1 rule is in fact an impediment to the entry of new investors and in this football we are an inadequate movement, we have become the development league of the Premier and I find this conditions a shameful thing, we sell the best players outside bundesliga and we take the young on loan and then send them back

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          • Originally posted by Odin View Post
            you are optimistic but I am willing to bet that little will change for the next few years,the 50 + 1 rule is in fact an impediment to the entry of new investors and in this football we are an inadequate movement, we have become the development league of the Premier and I find this conditions a shameful thing, we sell the best players outside bundesliga and we take the young on loan and then send them back
            How exactly is it an impediment?

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            • Originally posted by Odin View Post
              you are optimistic but I am willing to bet that little will change for the next few years, the 50 + 1 rule is in fact an impediment to the entry of new investors and in this football we are an inadequate movement, we have become the development league of the Premier and I find this conditions a shameful thing, we sell the best players outside bundesliga and we take the young on loan and then send them back
              I don't think Money or outside investments is the problem at Bayern, nor it's a solution .. I can give you a couple of examples of big teams with big "Investors" who still failing miserably in the sporting aspects that is.
              Inter Milan, AC Milan, Manchester United, PSG (they are still failing), Chelsea (managed two CL finals in how many years after the big money came?).
              even Manchester City could not exert dominance over Europe despite the shit ton of money "Investors" brought them.
              what Bayern lacks isn't the money, but rather a better squad planning, and for the one thousand times (sorry for repeating myself) .. a clear football philosophy with a capable manager and a sporting director who will build and enhance the squad around that philosophy ..

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              • Originally posted by Sakujo View Post
                what Bayern lacks isn't the money, but rather a better squad planning, and for the one thousand times (sorry for repeating myself) .. a clear football philosophy with a capable manager and a sporting director who will build and enhance the squad around that philosophy ..
                Bayern had that all that, a clear football philosophy and direction as well as better squad planning, for a few seasons until 2013-14 when they decided to deviate and hire a manager that was unwilling to adapt to the "Bayern philosophy of football" while they were unwilling to adapt to the "Pep philosophy of football". Was a match made in heaven. I guess after the treble Uli and co realised Bayern is a Bundesliga club and needs to be managed accordingly, ie shittily by making a string of bad decisions.

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                • Originally posted by micky View Post
                  Bayern had that all that, a clear football philosophy and direction as well as better squad planning, for a few seasons until 2013-14 when they decided to deviate and hire a manager that was unwilling to adapt to the "Bayern philosophy of football" while they were unwilling to adapt to the "Pep philosophy of football". Was a match made in heaven. I guess after the treble Uli and co realised Bayern is a Bundesliga club and needs to be managed accordingly, ie shittily by making a string of bad decisions.
                  This can't be more right... Werder Bremen wasted their success in the past decade.

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                  • Originally posted by Odin View Post
                    you are optimistic but I am willing to bet that little will change for the next few years, the 50 + 1 rule is in fact an impediment to the entry of new investors and in this football we are an inadequate movement, we have become the development league of the Premier and I find this conditions a shameful thing, we sell the best players outside bundesliga and we take the young on loan and then send them back

                    I agree even for Bayern it will be better for some other clubs to be bought and finally see some investment in the BL and raise the level of the Bl as a whole.

                    Right now its only downwards from here. bL teams dont have money so they end uo buying young players that are immediately sold if they show sonething. Even worse is we are seeing teams like Leipzig,Gladbach,Schalke etc loaning young english talents or spanish talents to develop for other clubs.

                    It will only get worse from here and the BL will probably becone likecthe Dutch league compared to EPL and La Liga. Even Seria A is getting past us while french league now Nice was bought from the richest britain person.

                    Its sad to see such a strong coutlntry like germany have such a weak league especially compared to spain and italy

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                    • Originally posted by micky View Post
                      Bayern had that all that, a clear football philosophy and direction as well as better squad planning, for a few seasons until 2013-14 when they decided to deviate and hire a manager that was unwilling to adapt to the "Bayern philosophy of football" while they were unwilling to adapt to the "Pep philosophy of football". Was a match made in heaven. I guess after the treble Uli and co realised Bayern is a Bundesliga club and needs to be managed accordingly, ie shittily by making a string of bad decisions.
                      I agree, although hiring Pep was not a deviation from the plan according to an insider rumor back then.
                      Our board was fascinated by Barca's Tiki-Taka and wanted to emulate it at Bayern. Ever since LVG laid the foundations for possession based football back in 2010 and our board tried to evolve the system.
                      Don Jupp only refined it and balanced it. Our board thought Pep is the best man to take Bayern towards the next step of evolving our playing style, it was evident by how our board ignored Jupp's wish to stay one more year. it was a huge mistake for multiple reasons;

                      while we did play possession based football before Pep but we never played Tiki-Taka nor we had the player profile needed for Pep's demanding football .. we didn't have dynamic midfielders like Xavi and Iniesta nor a good false nine like Messi .. and on top of that our board was not willing to deliver Pep's transfer list.

                      Pep turned a well balanced flexible team and turned it into a uni dimensional team which is prone to quick counters. I mean our midfield due (Basti-Martinez) which was one of the main reasons for our success one season prior to Pep struggled under him which further proved that Pep was unable to adapt and that our players didn't compliment his style.

                      One would think after the failures of 2012 and coming second in all competitions the board would overhaul the team, instead we got two olayers I think .. Mandzu who clearly was our board's purchase because they got pissed with Gomez for wasting ton of chances in 2012 finale, and Martinez who was the only signing that Jupp wanted that year and that is because we had the philosophy, we had the capable manager and only we needed was to refine and improve.

                      Jupp treated our proness to counters by using Martinez and Pep reintroduced the problem again as a trade off for what he thought a more dynamic midfield.

                      From that point forward it has went from bad to worse. Carlo didn't know what to do with the team and our players became confused as to how to play and we became holding on the ball for the sake of having possession without a clear plan to make opportunities.

                      And now we have Niko who is over his head and has no idea how to handle a.big team like Bayern, and our players look even more lost especially after we dragged our transitional period for years.

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                      • Originally posted by Sakujo View Post
                        I don't think Money or outside investments is the problem at Bayern, nor it's a solution .. I can give you a couple of examples of big teams with big "Investors" who still failing miserably in the sporting aspects that is.
                        Inter Milan, AC Milan, Manchester United, PSG (they are still failing), Chelsea (managed two CL finals in how many years after the big money came?).
                        even Manchester City could not exert dominance over Europe despite the shit ton of money "Investors" brought them.
                        what Bayern lacks isn't the money, but rather a better squad planning, and for the one thousand times (sorry for repeating myself) .. a clear football philosophy with a capable manager and a sporting director who will build and enhance the squad around that philosophy ..
                        I totally disagree with your judgment on most of the clubs you mentioned excluding the fraudulent and suspicious assignment of Milan all the other teams had a marked improvement over their previous management, maybe the PSG is the one that handled the many money available but still before they struggled to reach a qualification in europe league in europe league when they were lucky, Chelsea won a lot with Abramovich and Manchester city even if they did not win the champions league, however it stabilized as a contender, the Inter with the Chinese is growing very well year after year, do we want to talk about the success of our teams? in the uefa ranking we are in a dive and we always do worse, for me the problem is the money management, our BoD have saved every possible penny we have not seen a reserve striker for years and we have also started some seasons with only three central defenders, an ambitious club doesn't risk to sacrifice the results of a season to save 20 or 30 million euros and these are mistakes that we see every year

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                        • Originally posted by micky View Post
                          How exactly is it an impediment?
                          foreign investors cannot take control of the shares of the clubs and with this rule we lose the opportunity to globally re-launch our league this concerns the ownership of the teams but also future sponsorships may also bring less money if we do not improve our results in europe and if the bundesliga will continue to be resized

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                          • Originally posted by Odin View Post
                            foreign investors cannot take control of the shares of the clubs and with this rule we lose the opportunity to globally re-launch our league this concerns the ownership of the teams but also future sponsorships may also bring less money if we do not improve our results in europe and if the bundesliga will continue to be resized
                            What do you mean? Are there any such plans?

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                            • Originally posted by Wavy View Post
                              What do you mean? Are there any such plans?
                              if the ranking continues to fall and the level of the teams doesn't improve it could happen, maybe it will take some time but it wouldn't surprise me

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                              • Originally posted by Odin View Post
                                if the ranking continues to fall and the level of the teams doesn't improve it could happen, maybe it will take some time but it wouldn't surprise me
                                Yeah, makes sense.

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