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  • It's ethically wrong to appoint Hoeneß back to his old role, or to any role for that matter.

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    • Originally posted by FernandoBR View Post
      LoL. Hoeness is the main reason this team is what it is today.
      Drink the kool-aid, it's good for you. I'm serious - write your own legends, because the club needs them. But the truth is that no one man (or even a group of men) made this team. It was a combination of skill, hard work, and luck from the top down, over many generations. I don't mind the idolotry of Hoeness (much like I don't terribly mind the idolatry of Ribery), but like most legends, 90% of it is just hot air. As Micky said, Hoeness does not belong at Bayern any longer in any capacity.
      Last edited by Grey; 27-11-2016, 07:24.

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      • So, Grey, you don't believe that people make mistakes and should have a chance to redeem themselves? Don't be a dick. Each and everyone of us would at least think of doing what he did if we had that shitload of money he has/had. In fact I am pretty sure everyone of these rich motherfuckers do something like that, some of them just don't get caught.

        I'm not saying Uli is a saint, but it was his management skills that have brought Bayern to this point. He is hard working and dedicated and has the grit to push things forward. I really believe that we will see a revival with him at the helm. I mean, Mother Teresa abused funds and she got fucking sainted, no one will bat an eye about Uli, after all he has been convicted and served jail time (whatever kind of time that was).
        Last edited by Wavy; 27-11-2016, 12:21.

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        • While I believe in second chances... he shouldn't just be given his old job back. He should have to earn it. Start at a smaller role back with us and work his way up.

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          • he is funny, no doubt...i also don't like hamilton



            he is frickin funny
            Last edited by roosoo2; 27-11-2016, 16:34.

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            • Originally posted by Muller25 View Post
              While I believe in second chances... he shouldn't just be given his old job back. He should have to earn it. Start at a smaller role back with us and work his way up.
              He did work with the U19 team while on parole.

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              • Originally posted by Wavy View Post
                So, Grey, you don't believe that people make mistakes and should have a chance to redeem themselves? Don't be a dick. Each and everyone of us would at least think of doing what he did if we had that shitload of money he has/had. In fact I am pretty sure everyone of these rich motherfuckers do something like that, some of them just don't get caught.

                I'm not saying Uli is a saint, but it was his management skills that have brought Bayern to this point. He is hard working and dedicated and has the grit to push things forward. I really believe that we will see a revival with him at the helm. I mean, Mother Teresa abused funds and she got fucking sainted, no one will bat an eye about Uli, after all he has been convicted and served jail time (whatever kind of time that was).
                Anders Brevik for sporting manager too, huh? Second chances, right?

                Fuck that. Hoeness committed a crime and served his time, but that doesn't mean that everything is fine and dandy. It is ethically reckless to appoint him to any position at Bayern. I predict problems down the line and you can bet your ass I'll be there with my signature "I told you so" when they happen.

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                • Originally posted by Grey View Post
                  Anders Brevik for sporting manager too, huh? Second chances, right?

                  Fuck that. Hoeness committed a crime and served his time, but that doesn't mean that everything is fine and dandy. It is ethically reckless to appoint him to any position at Bayern. I predict problems down the line and you can bet your ass I'll be there with my signature "I told you so" when they happen.
                  Are you seriously fucking comparing manslaughter with tax evasion?

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                  • Originally posted by Wavy View Post
                    Are you seriously fucking comparing manslaughter with tax evasion?
                    Nope, just showing you how silly a blanket "b-b-but second chances!" type comment is. You're appointing a convicted tax evader to manage an institution with immense tax concerns. That's like appointing a pedophile as a preschool teacher. Hoeness didn't get a traffic ticket, hedefrauded the country USING his position at Bayern to do so.

                    Wavy, why are you picking at your hemorrhoid ?

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                    • The remarks on Schweinsteiger is so fucked up. Was Hoeness on drugs or something?

                      By the way, I don't think Bayern has been managed poorly at all, the latest revenue numbers speak volumes to their success. The only bad decision/move was selling Kroos, other than that I couldn't think of anything.

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                      • Just so we're clear, literally 0 people have said Bayern is managed poorly (the reappointment of Hoeness notwithstanding). What I said was that whimsical feel-goodery about reappointing some quasi "legend" is a permission slip to actually manage the club poorly. I chose my words carefully:

                        "Legend" status is just convenient permission to run a club poorly and Bayern have 0 room for sub-par management.

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                        • Originally posted by Grey View Post
                          Nope, just showing you how silly a blanket "b-b-but second chances!" type comment is. You're appointing a convicted tax evader to manage an institution with immense tax concerns. That's like appointing a pedophile as a preschool teacher. Hoeness didn't get a traffic ticket, hedefrauded the country USING his position at Bayern to do so.

                          Wavy, why are you picking at your hemorrhoid ?
                          His tax evasions didn't have anything to do with Bayern. He tried to evade taxes on a gift he got, not in his regular revenue, besides he admitted his mistake and did his time, regardless of you being a lawyer I wouldn't put manslaughter and tax evasion in the same sentence (that is unless Uli is a mass murderer, which he isn't).

                          I say let's wait and see what happens. Hating the guy because he made a mistake is silly IMO. Now if he fuck up again you have every right to use the "I told you so" in our collective faces, but until then, it's baseless to say that we mustn't, and shouldn't put a proven successful leader at the helm of our team, especially not after he served his time for the crime he did.

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                          • Originally posted by Wavy View Post
                            His tax evasions didn't have anything to do with Bayern. He tried to evade taxes on a gift he got, not in his regular revenue, besides he admitted his mistake and did his time, regardless of you being a lawyer I wouldn't put manslaughter and tax evasion in the same sentence (that is unless Uli is a mass murderer, which he isn't).

                            I say let's wait and see what happens. Hating the guy because he made a mistake is silly IMO. Now if he fuck up again you have every right to use the "I told you so" in our collective faces, but until then, it's baseless to say that we mustn't, and shouldn't put a proven successful leader at the helm of our team, especially not after he served his time for the crime he did.
                            There is no such thing as a clean divide between personal and professional life, and the more high profile a person you are, the more blended your personal and private lives become. A person in Hoeness's position is the highest emissary at Bayern 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365.25 days a year. The idea that you can attribute his wrong-doings to his personal life and his successes to his professional life is simply nonsensical. In the exact same way that a footballer has a responsibility to dutifully represent Bayern even when not in uniform, so to did Hoeness have a responsibility to dutifully represent Bayern even when engaged in his personal life. Hoeness didn't defraud the state strictly as a private individual - he defrauded the state as a representative of FC Bayern Munich. That to me is unacceptable.

                            For what it's worth, I also fundamentally disagree with the premise that "serving time" is the same thing as rehabilitation, and I certainly wouldn't trust an admitted tax felon to handle the future of this club no matter how much time was served. It is ethically and morally appalling.

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                            • Originally posted by Grey View Post
                              Just so we're clear, literally 0 people have said Bayern is managed poorly (the reappointment of Hoeness notwithstanding). What I said was that whimsical feel-goodery about reappointing some quasi "legend" is a permission slip to actually manage the club poorly. I chose my words carefully:
                              But you also said "both Hoeness and Kalle have no business at this club and the sooner we realize that the better". However the reality is Bayern has done extremely well on their watch, if not directly thanks to them.

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                              • Originally posted by Schweinfurt View Post
                                But you also said "both Hoeness and Kalle have no business at this club and the sooner we realize that the better". However the reality is Bayern has done extremely well on their watch, if not directly thanks to them.
                                There's an implied "anymore" there. They obviously belonged at the club in 2009. 2016? No thanks.

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