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  • Originally posted by EM1R View Post
    First clean sheet in 2019!
    I totally forgot that, but you're completely right.

    And who would have thought it should come in Anfield? lol.

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    • He did his homework well today

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      • Originally posted by bayern_fan View Post
        What was our attacking tactics? Neuer to Sule, Sule to Neuer and then neuer in ten times more difficult position blasts it forward in no mans land. It was obvious liverpool were going to press why not try skipping the midfield and circumvent that press.
        I'm 90% sure with Goretzka being fit and playing instead of James, and with good backups, we would've won the game

        James and Coman were terrible today, but what are his options? Rafinha, Sanches, 36 y.o Ribery, 18 y.o Davies coming from Canada ...

        With the available players and against a team like Liverpool away, the man did his job

        He is far from being the best coach for Bayern, but we should give credit where credit's due

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        • Kovac is a fucking alpha. He set us up right. Pep would've lost this game 9/10.
          Last edited by Jimmy; 20-02-2019, 05:52.

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          • Tactics today were great. We bash him... but credit we’d ro be given when it’s right too

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            • Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
              Kovac is a fucking alpha. He set us up right. Pep would lost this game 9/10.
              Idk man, Pep at Bayern gave BVB its first (and then second) loss in the league to us since early 2010. I would not be at all surprised if Pep is probably the manger with the best record against Klopp.

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              • Originally posted by Grey View Post
                Idk man, Pep at Bayern gave BVB its first (and then second) loss in the league to us since early 2010. I would not be at all surprised if Pep is probably the manger with the best record against Klopp.
                Yeah Pep had a good record v BvB apart from his first game if I remember correctly but UCL away knockout games like this was always an occasion for a Pep stinker. I remember we had an abysmal away record in the UCL under Pep. Not to take away any thing from him though, brilliant manager but stubborn as a goat in rut.

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                • Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                  Yeah Pep had a good record v BvB apart from his first game if I remember correctly but UCL away knockout games like this was always an occasion for a Pep stinker. I remember we had an abysmal away record in the UCL under Pep. Not to take away any thing from him though, brilliant manager but stubborn as a goat in rut.
                  Even during his Barcelona years (and his now City) years he struggled a bit in away games in knockout rounds, it's most likely due to his stubbornness to not adapt his plan for away games.

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                  • Credit where it's due, we were set up very well last night. Kovac did very well with what we had available, hopefully this is the start of something great

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                    • Originally posted by DanaSchofield View Post
                      Credit where it's due, we were set up very well last night. Kovac did very well with what we had available, hopefully this is the start of something great
                      The great decline, perhaps?

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                      • For those who think that Kovac suddenly got mutated from one of the best defensive BL coach last year, to disaster coach of Bayern then suddenly to mastermind last night, wait for it, you are wrong. This is the same Kovac and only difference here is, AUG and LIV games are fundamentally different in every aspect. You could clearly see that players gave their extra 5-10% to implement tactics and help and bail each other. In a BL game, which Bayern have won it past 6 years, players, especially veterans don't really give it all. Moreover, in your average BL game we want to have the ball and losing ball in possession is super bad, for the kinds of Hummels.

                        Now my problem here is, Kovac getting called out for his defensive approach. I will break this into two pieces.

                        1) First, for those who say Kovac should not play defensively with the sheer amount of offensive talent he has. OK, let's look at all the talent. Coman, as much as I like him, is a one trick pony and his end product always lacked under various managers, even under your beloved Pep. Lewandowski is best choker of them all in most important matches. Gnabry, although making strides and is becoming my favorite every passing game, still not there yet. James is for me Ozil 2.0. You clearly see talent is there, but for some reason he gets upset very fast and does not show it. If you look objectively and without fan bias, we don't have that impressive of squad at our disposal offensively. We are not even best in BL anymore. Coupling of lacking talent and players not giving 100% in their BL games, is the recipe for disaster we are in in BL. We have been calling BoD for transfer all the summer and winter long for a reason. We also know how old and talentless our squad has become, comparing to old Bayern.

                        2) What Kovac is doing is the definition of post tiki-taka modern football. Defense first and waiting to capitalize on opponent mistakes and most importantly counter attacks. Real "the mighty" Madrid won this competition three times, just playing this kind of football and on international level France just did that too. Guardiola's football is outdated and never wins championships anymore. There is nothing wrong if you defend, especially if you are inferior to your opponent and you are playing in Anfield, which is a hell for visiting teams, considering their record of past in Anfield.

                        As a conclusion, I would really like, if Kovac gets the benefit of the doubt, at least for a season. Because Guardiola had three years, to go ahead and get all his tactics wrong every year. Guardiola lost every year with undisputed best squad of mid 2010s. He came to a team, who destroyed tiki-taka 7-0 with Heynckess the year before and implemented the same tiki-taka tactics for three years and lost. We gave Guardiola's shitty and eye-bleeding tactics three years, why can't we defend for just one year? In the end, please bear in mind that I'm not defending Kovac as a person. For me, whoever we bring as a coach, even as of tomorrow, won't change things that much. Our squad is not designed to be a contender for CL and in the case of BL, we are not on the level of Dortmund. They are just fucking up, or we shouldn't have been anywhere near them in the table.

                        Originally posted by micky View Post
                        The great decline, perhaps?
                        Yes there is a decline. But not decline of Kovac, it is decline of our BoD and the team as a whole. If you want to close your eyes on what is happening at our club in grand scheme of things, suit yourself, but we are heading downwards in terms of squad quality and hopefully we learned our lesson and will aggressively renew squad in the summer.
                        Last edited by Blackroze; 20-02-2019, 12:07.

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                        • Originally posted by Blackroze View Post
                          Yes there is a decline. But not decline of Kovac, it is decline of our BoD and the team as a whole. If you want to close your eyes on what is happening at our club in grand scheme of things, suit yourself, but we are heading downwards in terms of squad quality and hopefully we learned our lesson and will aggressively renew squad in the summer.
                          Damn, what's with the misinterpretation of tongue-in-cheek posts here now suddenly? All of the quoted text is so wildly misinterpreted based on just one sentence wrote as a joke it's simply baffling.

                          The point I was trying to convey is that no matter what, Kovac isn't the manager to take Bayern to anything great (unless it's negative greatness).

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                          • I'm really not inclined to give Kovac a grace period of a season and I think the Pep analogy misses the point by roughly a lightyear. First, Pep was NOT afforded a grace period on this forum. Criticism began on day one. Only a handful of people (Sakujo being one of them) vocally withheld judgment until after the first season. Secoond (and most importantly) Bayern was in a VERY different position under Pep than under Kovac, where Pep's Bayern came straight off the back of a treble win and was still at its highest level. Meanwhile, Kovac's Bayern has been in steady decline since 2015 (yes, before Kovac ever thought about coming here) and nowadays Bayern is in a straight-up crisis, both in personnel as well as management. We need good coaching now more than we've ever needed it.

                            Unfair? Sure. But then no one should EVER have expected the Bayern manager position to be fair.

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                            • Originally posted by micky View Post
                              Damn, what's with the misinterpretation of tongue-in-cheek posts here now suddenly? All of the quoted text is so wildly misinterpreted based on just one sentence wrote as a joke it's simply baffling.

                              The point I was trying to convey is that no matter what, Kovac isn't the manager to take Bayern to anything great (unless it's negative greatness).
                              Maybe not now, but it's like Bayern is investigating in Kovac in the long term, this what I get from Hoeness every time he talks about him.

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                              • I have to admit I was quite disappointed with Kovac in the first part of the season...but I think we are being to harsh on him recently.

                                Dont get me wrong but I dont think that there is such mastermind of a coach in the world that will make this team play some City type of football in attacking sense. No chance. There is just too little quality in this time attacking wise. Thats the reality.

                                At least Kovac is showing that he has sense by playing our fastest players in attack...But he cant make them make better decisions or he can teach them to put some magic. Coman is our X factor this season but he is just too injury-prone and unreliable. Gnabry has a talent but he is not a traditional winger. Lewa is just alone. He gives everything but he is a striker with a little service.

                                On top of that you have an unbalanced MF without a fast and agile DM. Thank god Javi is a beast. Tolisso is injured the whole season. And on top of that you have like just 4 proper defenders.

                                And when you hear todays statements of Hoeness you can realize that last summer they were just not going to spend. Which means Kovac could do shit on the transfer market.

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