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  • mea95
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  • Sakujo
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    I did not watch the game but I'll trust your feedback that we did actually play better apart from individual blunders.

    pending how we play against Liverpool to make a better judgement. and as usual I think it's best to re-evaluate at the end of the season.

    by the way, the tendency to make excessive individual blunders is also the manager's responsibility to fix. but I am willing to wait for the next season when he gets his requested transfers. so it will be more fair to judge.

    as of right now I am still at 55% against Niko.

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  • bayern_fan
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    I hope we wont see another season under Kovac but if so then lets hope we buy Hernandez and field Hernandez and Pavard/Sule under Kovac. When we start conceding and making mistakes once again lets see who will be to blame then. People expect that if we buy Hernandez or someone that our defence will magically improve under Kovac. When Stuttgart is dominating us in a huge chunk of the match...

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  • Blackroze
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    Originally posted by AriaBavarian View Post
    But what about Sule playing like crap?
    Have you ever heard if CB partnership? Yes that's because sometimes two good CBs complement each other and make each other better. Like Hummels and Boateng in 2014! Two thousand and fucking fourteen. Even back then Neuer should have covered their asses like 10 times like an outfield player.
    What we have right now are two monkeys dragging not inly their CB partner(Süle) down, but also the whole team. Sadly there is no remedy for that except waiting untill summer and giving them the boot.

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  • AriaBavarian
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    Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
    I can't see where I insulted your intellect so far but if I have, my apologies. My whole point is that Hummels back pass errors today (2 times) were in no way as a result of Niko's tactics or lack thereof. I also contend that Hummels and especially Boateng are no longer world class but they are still good mind you. That is all. My last post on this topic. Cheers.
    But what about Sule playing like crap?

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  • Grey
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    Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
    I can't see where I insulted your intellect so far but if I have, my apologies. My whole point is that Hummels back pass errors today (2 times) were in no way as a result of Niko's tactics or lack thereof. I also contend that Hummels and especially Boateng are no longer world class but they are still good mind you. That is all. My last post on this topic. Cheers.
    Again, you're not addressing my argument even remotely. Here, I'll quote it for you:

    Originally posted by Grey View Post
    They [individual versus tactical errors] aren’t mutually exclusive and I reject the idea that they have to be. Hypothetically, what if Kovac neglected coaching Hummels in these situations, denying him practice and facillitating an increased liklihood in making an individual error through inexperience? An individual error at this level is likely more than that - especially when they are happening so frequently. So sure, this was an individual error. But to say it’s not tactical by sole virtue of it being an individual error is to miss the point entirely.
    Simply reiterating your point that this is 100% an individual error does nothing whatsoever to refute my point - because it has nothing whatsoever to do with my point. If you think I have at ANY point argued that this isn't an individual error, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't understand why it is so hard to grasp that an individual error does not preclude that error (or series of errors, in this case) from being tactical as well.

    But yeah, apparently basic literacy is "logical tapdancing."

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  • Jimmy
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    Originally posted by Grey View Post
    Cool, posture away to your heart’s content. When you’re done, you may address the points I made. Namely, I’d like to see you address the point where I argue that an individual error is not mutually exclusive with a tactical one. Up til now, all you’ve said to this point is “NUH UH” and then insulted my intellect.
    I can't see where I insulted your intellect so far but if I have, my apologies. My whole point is that Hummels back pass errors today (2 times) were in no way as a result of Niko's tactics or lack thereof. I also contend that Hummels and especially Boateng are no longer world class but they are still good mind you. That is all. My last post on this topic. Cheers.

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  • Grey
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    Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
    I read your post alright and every point of yours was flawed but we agree to disagree
    I'm a Bayern fan first and foremost and that means supporting our players, coaches etc but also criticize them when it's right. I'm no Niko bootlicker as you allude thank you very much, but what I noticed here is lack of objective criticism. People just come on here to bash Niko even when he's done something right like it's some kind of virtue. If this season ends disastrously then I will be the loudest in asking for his sack but right now we're still in all of it and could very well have our best year since 2013.
    Cool, posture away to your heart’s content. When you’re done, you may address the points I made. Namely, I’d like to see you address the point where I argue that an individual error is not mutually exclusive with a tactical one. Up til now, all you’ve said to this point is “NUH UH” and then insulted my intellect.

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  • Jimmy
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    Originally posted by Grey View Post
    Another believer of magic pixie dust. I’ll tell you what: read my post and I’ll do you the courtesy of reading yours. Until then, enjoy the taste of Kovac’s boot. I have no patience whatsoever for those who hit “reply” without addressing one single point in the post they reply to.
    I read your post alright and every point of yours was flawed but we agree to disagree
    I'm a Bayern fan first and foremost and that means supporting our players, coaches etc but also criticize them when it's right. I'm no Niko bootlicker as you allude thank you very much, but what I noticed here is lack of objective criticism. People just come on here to bash Niko even when he's done something right like it's some kind of virtue. If this season ends disastrously then I will be the loudest in asking for his sack but right now we're still in all of it and could very well have our best year since 2013.

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  • Grey
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    Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
    Sorry Grey, it's not embarrassing. Just because you say so doesn't mean it is. Hummels and Boateng are world class in the footballing community? In 2019? Man I'm speechless. Both literally shat the bed during the world cup especially Boateng. We hawked him all around Europe during the summer but nobody would touch him. Did you even read the opinions of most football fans in the summer? They've lost a yard of pace, their bodies are shot through numerous injuries, error prone etc.
    Coming to today's game, that scenario happens all the time under every single coach ffs. It was a routine back pass header and Hummels fucked up. Simple. No amount of logical tap dance will absolve him of the blame 100%.
    Another believer of magic pixie dust. I’ll tell you what: read my post and I’ll do you the courtesy of reading yours. Until then, enjoy the taste of Kovac’s boot. I have no patience whatsoever for those who hit “reply” without addressing one single point in the post they reply to.

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  • Jimmy
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    Originally posted by Grey View Post
    BZ would rather throw its own household stars under the bus to preserve the tattered legacy of a half-wit failure who couldn’t coach himself off the toilet if his life depended on it.

    It’s seriously embarrassing how many of you are clearly more allied to kovac than you are to any of our players suffering under his blind tutelage.
    Sorry Grey, it's not embarrassing. Just because you say so doesn't mean it is. Hummels and Boateng are world class in the footballing community? In 2019? Man I'm speechless. Both literally shat the bed during the world cup especially Boateng. We hawked him all around Europe during the summer but nobody would touch him. Did you even read the opinions of most football fans in the summer? They've lost a yard of pace, their bodies are shot through numerous injuries, error prone etc.
    Coming to today's game, that scenario happens all the time under every single coach ffs. It was a routine back pass header and Hummels fucked up. Simple. No amount of logical tap dance will absolve him of the blame 100%.

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  • OnlyInsider
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    Happy days, long may it continue.

    https://da-dk.facebook.com/FCBayern/...4844622203914/

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  • Grey
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    Originally posted by OnlyInsider View Post
    Fully agreed, Grey. Like mentioned many times, also by others in here, none of our players became better under Kovac, only stagnated or regressed. It’s pretty much all on him.
    BZ would rather throw its own household stars under the bus to preserve the tattered legacy of a half-wit failure who couldn’t coach himself off the toilet if his life depended on it.

    It’s seriously embarrassing how many of you are clearly more allied to kovac than you are to any of our players suffering under his blind tutelage.

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  • Grey
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    Originally posted by Blackroze View Post
    Interesting to see Hummels and world class in a sentence, especially coming from you. Nope Hummels and Boateng are 2nd Bundesliga material and they also have showed it on national team how bad they are under another coach. It's not a very intelligent thing to say when there are two examples to prove you wrong and not even one to show you are right.
    Rafinha Ulreich and others fucked mighty Heynkess last season and he could not even prevent these shitstains from fucking up, so I would really start looking at our players and squad planning instead of the coach. Our defense is bad and not even Otto Rehagel or any other defense nerd can make it work.
    You’re using Boateng and Hummels’s form under Kovac to try to prove yourself right - in reality you’re just proving me right, so thanks

    Both saw an jmmediate and simultaneous loss of form under Kovac. In your fantasy world, they both huffed the same magical pixie dust and magically lost form at the same time, as did Sule, because this is endemic among every single CB we have. What’s more likely, that three world class CBs (that’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of the footballing fan community as a whole) magically lost form simultaneously, or that a new coach with utterly braindead defensive tactics is responsible. Don’t answer that, there’s only one right answer.

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  • Grey
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    Originally posted by Thirteen View Post
    Hummels blunder was all on Hummels though. That wasn't a tactical mistake, it was just Hummels being daft and unaware of his surroundings.
    They aren’t mutually exclusive and I reject the idea that they have to be. Hypothetically, what if Kovac neglected coaching Hummels in these situations, denying him practice and facillitating an increased liklihood in making an individual error through inexperience? An individual error at this level is likely more than that - especially when they are happening so frequently. So sure, this was an individual error. But to say it’s not tactical by sole virtue of it being an individual error is to miss the point entirely.

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