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  • Muller25
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    Originally posted by micky View Post
    Either way, Ulreich had the chance to clear the ball but he didn't. That's the mistake that led to the goal, not Tolisso's pass per se but Ulreich's indecisiveness.
    Totally agree. That’s why I started with saying that. I don’t think Tolisso was at fault. But I do think it could be debated that if the pass had more pace Ukreich wouldn’t have over thought it and made a big mistake. Instincts instead of overthinking would have played out.

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  • micky
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    Originally posted by Muller25 View Post
    I agree with you. But then couldn’t it be debated that Tolisso’s pass then didn’t have enough pace and gave Sven “too much time” to think about it and made him Overthink it and mess up. Where if it had more pace, perhaps he wouldn’t have over thought it.
    Either way, Ulreich had the chance to clear the ball but he didn't. That's the mistake that led to the goal, not Tolisso's pass per se but Ulreich's indecisiveness.

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  • Muller25
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    Originally posted by Grey View Post
    How can it be relevant to Ulreich’s disproportionate share of the blame if the pass was safe enough that it allowed Ulreich 2 full seconds to make a decision? You’re talking like this was some split-second, life-or-death instinct decision that Ulreich made instantaneously. The guy had time to run and grab a ham sandwich, eat it, and re-lace his boots for good measure. If Tolisso’s pass afforded Ulreich as much time as it did, then it categorically was not anywhere near as impactful as you want to believe.
    I agree with you. But then couldn’t it be debated that Tolisso’s pass then didn’t have enough pace and gave Sven “too much time” to think about it and made him Overthink it and mess up. Where if it had more pace, perhaps he wouldn’t have over thought it.

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  • mavros
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    Originally posted by Jesmar84 View Post
    And I keep saying that the pass Tolisso made on the day was a suicidal one as nobody was expecting him to back pass in that sit....
    There isn't a single thing that a keeper shouldn't be prepared for!

    He must even be ready for allien invasion!

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  • Grey
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    Originally posted by L4nd3r View Post
    He should be blamed for making a unnecessary back pass to a backup keeper. Not to forget that it was a weak ass pass too.
    How can it be relevant to Ulreich’s disproportionate share of the blame if the pass was safe enough that it allowed Ulreich 2 full seconds to make a decision? You’re talking like this was some split-second, life-or-death instinct decision that Ulreich made instantaneously. The guy had time to run and grab a ham sandwich, eat it, and re-lace his boots for good measure. If Tolisso’s pass afforded Ulreich as much time as it did, then it categorically was not anywhere near as impactful as you want to believe.

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  • L4nd3r
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    Originally posted by Grey View Post
    I don’t care if Tolisso got down on his knees and passed Ulreich the ball with his cock - if Ulreich had enough time to hesitate and pick his panties out of his asscrack, that means Ulreich - not Tolisso - was far more to blame. Honestly can’t stand this revisionism.
    He should be blamed for making a unnecessary back pass to a backup keeper. Not to forget that it was a weak ass pass too.

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  • Nils
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    Yep, Ulreich might be good enough as a long term buli backup, but fucking sucked as a keeper when it mattered the most in the CL.

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  • Grey
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    I don’t care if Tolisso got down on his knees and passed Ulreich the ball with his cock - if Ulreich had enough time to hesitate and pick his panties out of his asscrack, that means Ulreich - not Tolisso - was far more to blame. Honestly can’t stand this revisionism.

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  • Stansfield
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    Yeah that pass was horrible. Terrible sequence of events. Hate to see it.

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  • L4nd3r
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    Originally posted by Jesmar84 View Post
    And I keep saying that the pass Tolisso made on the day was a suicidal one as nobody was expecting him to back pass in that sit....
    A worse decision than Ulreich's non-decision. Ulreich is not Neuer, he should've never made that pass.

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  • Jesmar84
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    Originally posted by DanaSchofield View Post
    lmao come on... Sven is a good backup, yes he made a huge fuck up against Madrid but that doesn't automatically make him a bad goalkeeper. He has played many crucial games and made important saves for us over the years when Neuer has been out injured
    And I keep saying that the pass Tolisso made on the day was a suicidal one as nobody was expecting him to back pass in that sit....

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  • mavros
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    Originally posted by OnlyInsider View Post
    But who says we would have won the trophy without his mistake? Yes it was a fatal blunder, but our offensive was just as ineffective to say the least. Couldn't convert any of the massive chances they created for each other, if they scored on just half of those chances we wouldn't have talked about this blunder as now.

    And no I'm not trying to remove focus from Sven's blunder, but he was not the only reason we didn't progress against Madrid. Apart from that every goalkeeper makes massive mistakes at times, our two legends Kahn and Neuer is no different.

    You might be right Sven doesn't have the mentality to play against the very best, but your not looking at the whole picture here as I see it.
    You cannot imagine the impact that Manu's absence gives to the rest of the players in a cl semi-final.
    If they already don't have trust in Ulreich, you understand that conceding a goal like this after being ahead in Madrid 1-2 is leathal and catlytic.
    You need enormous mentality to surpass this blast and win the game.

    My point is that you have to own quality bench players to claim the cl trophy.

    It is fobidden to make in a cl semi 2 amateurish mistakes like Rafinha's in Munich and Ulreich's in Madrid and expect to go through the final.

    Despite their offer to the team (Rafinha's mainly) and how cool both guys are, they should have never been in last year's Bayern roster.

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  • OnlyInsider
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    Originally posted by mavros View Post
    You mean that good? (o:57)



    Or this?



    I spent almost my whole life playing and stadying goalkeeper's position.
    Those both mistakes aren't just mistakes.
    They are rather amtteurish.

    You don't judge a keeper by his ability to stop shots.
    One way or another, everybody is capable of making fantastic saves.
    Anyone that sustain a pro keeper training daily.

    But occasions like those two and the two mistakes of Carews in last year's cl final, makes you realize that both these 2 keepers haven't got the mentality to play in the highest level.

    Not punching the ball with only one hand when it goes in goal is one of the 5 main rules you learn as a junior keeper at the academy.

    As for the other mistake in Madrid, that wasn't just a slip.
    He was watcing the ball for a few seconds and wasn't able to decide if he had the right to use his hands.
    He initially thought he could but the very last moment change his mind but it was to late.
    Above every other mistake...A KEEPER MUST NEVER CHANGE HIS DECISION.

    Both mistakes are rather moronic than amateurish!
    Same goes for the two Carews did vs Madrid!



    I think both of you two are deluted about Ulreich's abilities and that is already proved and paid with the prize of losing a CL trophy!
    But who says we would have won the trophy without his mistake? Yes it was a fatal blunder, but our offensive was just as ineffective to say the least. Couldn't convert any of the massive chances they created for each other, if they scored on just half of those chances we wouldn't have talked about this blunder as now.

    And no I'm not trying to remove focus from Sven's blunder, but he was not the only reason we didn't progress against Madrid. Apart from that every goalkeeper makes massive mistakes at times, our two legends Kahn and Neuer is no different.

    You might be right Sven doesn't have the mentality to play against the very best, but your not looking at the whole picture here as I see it.
    Last edited by OnlyInsider; 03-06-2019, 11:12.

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  • mavros
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    Originally posted by DanaSchofield View Post
    No. There aren't.

    And Sven was very good up until the mistake against Madrid, many fans felt confident with him in goal leading up to the night as he had played very well for a long period
    You mean that good? (o:57)



    Or this?



    I spent almost my whole life playing and stadying goalkeeper's position.
    Those both mistakes aren't just mistakes.
    They are rather amtteurish.

    You don't judge a keeper by his ability to stop shots.
    One way or another, everybody is capable of making fantastic saves.
    Anyone that sustain a pro keeper training daily.

    But occasions like those two and the two mistakes of Carews in last year's cl final, makes you realize that both these 2 keepers haven't got the mentality to play in the highest level.

    Not punching the ball with only one hand when it goes in goal is one of the 5 main rules you learn as a junior keeper at the academy.

    As for the other mistake in Madrid, that wasn't just a slip.
    He was watcing the ball for a few seconds and wasn't able to decide if he had the right to use his hands.
    He initially thought he could but the very last moment change his mind but it was to late.
    Above every other mistake...A KEEPER MUST NEVER CHANGE HIS DECISION.

    Both mistakes are rather moronic than amateurish!
    Same goes for the two Carews did vs Madrid!

    Originally posted by OnlyInsider View Post
    You’re kinda deluded here to say the least. Sven is some of the very best you can have as a reserve.
    I think both of you two are deluted about Ulreich's abilities and that is already proved and paid with the prize of losing a CL trophy!

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  • OnlyInsider
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    Originally posted by mavros View Post
    Νo he is not.....and that's exactly my point.

    A good back-up is the one that you feel secure playing him in Bernabeu, Camp Nou, Anfield...etc, when Neuer is abcent.
    Not playing again Wolfsbourg, Mainz etc.
    Rafinha could easily play that role.

    There are handreds of keepers in Europe better than him that would accept the back-up role behind Neuer.

    That's not for laughs!
    We already lost one CL because of him.
    It's more than enough!
    You’re kinda deluded here to say the least. Sven is some of the very best you can have as a reserve.

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