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  • Originally posted by Effenbergfan View Post
    According to Spanish newspaper AS, Real have to sell for 300 million to be in order with FFP rules.

    Someone you want to see here?
    Eden hazard.
    [emoji3061]

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    • Originally posted by Effenbergfan View Post
      According to Spanish newspaper AS, Real have to sell for 300 million to be in order with FFP rules.
      Someone you want to see here?
      How? Their last big transfer was James in 2014, since that they've been selling more than buying.

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      • If we look at the transfers of the last 4 seasons, then they have a minus of 10.6 million. (Data from Transfermarkt)

        18/19
        Outgoing transfer: 133.5 million
        Incoming transfer: 162.75 million

        Difference -29.25 million

        17/18
        Out: 128.5 million
        In: 40.5 million

        Difference: +88 million

        16/17
        Out: 37.5 million
        In: 30 million

        Difference: +7.5 million

        15/16
        Out: 15.65 million
        In: 92.5 million

        Difference -76.85 million

        If we look at this transfer period: They'll spend +300 million with other transfers than mentioned below not taken into account.

        Out: None
        In: Hazard (100), Jovic (60), Militao (50), Rodrygo (45) and the possible transfer of Mendy (50)

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        • Originally posted by Effenbergfan View Post
          If we look at the transfers of the last 4 seasons, then they have a minus of 10.6 million. (Data from Transfermarkt)

          18/19
          Outgoing transfer: 133.5 million
          Incoming transfer: 162.75 million

          Difference -29.25 million

          17/18
          Out: 128.5 million
          In: 40.5 million

          Difference: +88 million

          16/17
          Out: 37.5 million
          In: 30 million

          Difference: +7.5 million

          15/16
          Out: 15.65 million
          In: 92.5 million

          Difference -76.85 million

          If we look at this transfer period: They'll spend +300 million with other transfers than mentioned below not taken into account.

          Out: None
          In: Hazard (100), Jovic (60), Militao (50), Rodrygo (45) and the possible transfer of Mendy (50)


          But is that how it works though? That looks too straight forward and easy to be the accounting guidance from FFP. Accounting is never that straight forward.

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          • FFP is not about transfers, but about all financial operations, of which transfers are only a small part.

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            • Originally posted by micky View Post
              FFP is not about transfers, but about all financial operations, of which transfers are only a small part.

              So, how does it affect OPEX and CAPEX?

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              • Originally posted by rohr View Post
                So, how does it affect OPEX and CAPEX?
                Transfers? Player salaries go under OPEX, while transfer fees go under CAPEX. Transfer fees are deprecated/amortized. Wage bill accounts usually for quite a chunk of OPEX budget.
                Last edited by micky; 11-06-2019, 01:06.

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                • Originally posted by micky View Post
                  Transfers? Player salaries go under OPEX, while transfer fees go under CAPEX. Transfer fees are deprecated/amortized. Wage bill accounts usually for quite a chunk of OPEX budget.


                  So what does FFP actually limit, OPEX or CAPEX? Or some sort of mix of both... Seriously, what does FFP actually do?

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                  • Originally posted by rohr View Post
                    So what does FFP actually limit, OPEX or CAPEX? Or some sort of mix of both... Seriously, what does FFP actually do?
                    It's based on revenue per year on a 3 (i think) year cycle. But UEFA can choose what it accounts for in some values like in sponsorship if they feel it's overvalued (PSG and City cases pretty much).

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                    • Originally posted by rohr View Post
                      So what does FFP actually limit, OPEX or CAPEX? Or some sort of mix of both... Seriously, what does FFP actually do?
                      FFP doesn't directly limit OPEX or CAPEX, or anything else, as such. FFP is all about making sure clubs aren't spending more than they can actually afford and that their financing sources are sustainable (eg no excessive debt financing). FFP is a good idea that's terribly enforced, or rather, not really enforced at all. There are some exceptions that aren't under FFP, like investments in academy and infrastructure.

                      Financial Fair Play is considered to have specifically contributed to the turnaround in club football finances by:

                      • Directly restricting some of the most excessive loss-making clubs, by concluding 28 settlement agreements designed to bring these clubs back to operating at break-even, in many cases featuring specific transfer and wage restrictions;
                      • Preventing the build-up of debt by requiring the owners or shareholders of more than 50 clubs with smaller losses to raise or inject new capital to cover these losses;
                      • Disincentivising clubs from delaying payments by applying tough sanctions, including the exclusion from UEFA club competitions;
                      • Creating an environment that encourages new and continued owner investment, attracted by a properly regulated market;
                      • Inspiring the introduction of parallel domestic rules, based on the principles of Financial Fair Play and tailored to the specific environment;
                      • Increasing the public and media attention given to club finances, thereby increasing the accountability of club directors and owners to running clubs in a sustainable way.
                      Financial Fair Play

                      UEFA Club Financing and Financial Fair Play Regulations
                      Last edited by micky; 11-06-2019, 11:27.

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                      • I was thinking about some of Real Madrid's signings since 2000:

                        Zidane, Ronaldo, Beckham, Figo, Owen, Ramos, C. Ronaldo, Kaka, Xabi Alonso, Di Maria, Ozil, Modric, Isco, Bale, James, Kroos, Jovic, Hazard

                        IMO they are the best team when it comes to transfers

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                        • Marcelo...

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                          • They are not scared to open their wallets. Bayern can do the same but we’d rather spend 100 milion spread between three players instead of one.

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                            • I mean it is Real Madrid. It's basically what they are known for these days. Whether people like them or not as a player you can't go higher than Real Madrid status wise. Your Zidanes, Ronaldos, Hazards etc want to go to Real Madrid. The financial aspects are a whole different conversation.

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                              • João Felix will complete his move to Atletico Madrid as early as tomorrow, according to AS.

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