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Old 13-09-2019, 22:08   #1891
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Numbers are misleading at best, and outright liars at worst. 2019 Lewandowski is a frail shadow of his 2013 form, no matter how much better his teammates are at padding his stats at Bayern.
2019 yes, but his 2015-2017 seasons were far superior to any seasons he had at Dortmund. He was simply perfect those two seasons, there wasn't a thing he couldn't do as a striker.
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Old 13-09-2019, 22:52   #1892
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I can’t remember a single performance in a Bayern jersey - yes even his 5 goals against Wolfsburg - that even hold a candle to his 4 goals against Madrid or his 2012 DFB Pokal performance against us.
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Old 13-09-2019, 23:24   #1893
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I can’t remember a single performance in a Bayern jersey - yes even his 5 goals against Wolfsburg - that even hold a candle to his 4 goals against Madrid or his 2012 DFB Pokal performance against us.
Those two matches are the highlights of his Dortmund career, but it still doesn't take away that he's been a better striker in Bayern from 2015-2017. Maybe you can't find a single match in Bayern you can compare to the 4-1 against Real Madrid, but his consistency and overall level domestically has been much better compared to his Dortmund years. Internationally I agree he was a notch better in Dortmund, when Pep was here he was as good in the CL for us as he was with Dortmund.

And to name one performance where he was as good as the 2012 DFB Pokal finale, the 2019 one, even better imo.

He single-handedly won us that match along with Neuer. Not only did he score two absolutely superb goals, also notice how he held the defender away so that Coman could get a clear and free shot on goal.



1:51 in this one to see him screen the Leipzig defender.


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Numbers are misleading at best, and outright liars at worst. 2019 Lewandowski is a frail shadow of his 2013 form, no matter how much better his teammates are at padding his stats at Bayern.
This is much much more true for Muller. He is nowhere near what he was and it's obvious he is not good enough Anymore and his lack of skills is apparent when we play vsbetter teams but he has good stats playing as a SS and being most of the time in or around the box vs your average BL side for example he had two assist vs mainz. Even Gotze had good stats at bayern
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This is much much more true for Muller. He is nowhere near what he was and it's obvious he is not good enough Anymore and his lack of skills is apparent when we play vsbetter teams but he has good stats playing as a SS and being most of the time in or around the box vs your average BL side for example he had two assist vs mainz. Even Gotze had good stats at bayern
Goetze works better than me for Muller tbh, but I agree with your broader point. Thing about Muller though is that Muller started his career and heightened his reputation by scoring important goals. When there was an important match, you played Muller, because he was always worth a goal. Not anymore.
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Old 14-09-2019, 07:35   #1896
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Numbers are misleading at best, and outright liars at worst. 2019 Lewandowski is a frail shadow of his 2013 form, no matter how much better his teammates are at padding his stats at Bayern.
That happens when you are not playing on counter. Those Dortmund teams excelled by playing on the counter and space, once teams stopped attacking them, they suffered to get better results.
Lewandowski is a better player right now, but he's on a worse team in a sense, his role is different. We don't play fast.
Not really fan of his current role(although is necessary), and feel like a waste to a great player to play him in a most "poacher that tracks back" kinda role, he's capable of much more than this, but we lack a faster play.

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Precisely 0 of Lewa's goals against Madrid were scored on the counter.

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Against Malaga he scored on a superb counter

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Precisely 0 of Lewa's goals against Madrid were scored on the counter.

The exception that proves my point. Mind you that i didn't mean only counters, but on fast plays in general.

Bayern today is just too slow on offense and can't create any space.
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alright this has drifted off topic long enough;
please continue the debate about Lewandowski here
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